Of Arms and the Law
Navigation
About Me
Contact Me
Archives
XML Feed
Home

Ghillie Suits and Gear

Law Review Articles
Firearm Owner's Protection Act
Armed Citizens, Citizen Armies
2nd Amendment & Historiography
The Lecture Notes of St. George Tucker
Original Popular Understanding of the 14th Amendment
Originalism and its Tools

ISOcover150x200sm.jpg

I've released my documentary film on the history of the right to arms, "In Search of the Second Amendment." It stars twelve professors of constitutional law, plus Steve Halbrook, David Kopel, Don Kates, and Clayton Cramer. You can order the DVD here. And here's the Wikipedia page on it. SUPREME COURT SPECIAL: additional orders only $10 each.


2nd Amendment Discussions
1982 Senate Judiciary Comm. Report
2004 Dept of Justice Report
US v. Emerson (5th Cir. 2001)

Click here to join the NRA (or renew your membership) online! Special discount: annual membership $25 (reg. $35) for a great magazine and benefits.

Recommended Websites
Ohioans for Concealed Carry
Clean Up ATF (heartburn for headquarters)
Survival Tips : The Survivalist Blog
Knives Infinity, blades of all types
Buckeye Firearms Association
NFA Owners' Association
Leatherman Multi-tools And Knives
The Nuge Board
Dave Kopel
Steve Halbrook
Gunblog community
Dave Hardy
Bardwell's NFA Page
2nd Amendment Documentary
Clayton Cramer
Constitutional Classics
Law Reviews
NRA news online
Sporting Outdoors blog
Blogroll
Instapundit
Upland Feathers
Instapunk
Volokh Conspiracy
Alphecca
Gun Rights
Gun Trust Lawyer NFA blog
The Big Bore Chronicles
Good for the Country
Knife Rights.org
The BitchGirls
Geeks with Guns
Hugh Hewitt
How Appealing
Moorewatch
Moorelies
The Price of Liberty
Search
Visitors since April 1, 2005: Free Web Counter
Free Hit Counter

Credits
Powered by Movable Type 3.15
Site Design by Sekimori

« Followup on Maricopa County case | Main | Thought for the day »

Guns in checked train baggage

Posted by David Hardy · 10 December 2009 10:10 AM

The House just passed a big bill with a rider requiring Amtrak to allow firearms in checked baggage. Amtrak had resisted, doubtless fearful that a passenger would somehow get into the baggage compartment and hijack the train.

Comments

I don't see what the deal is. I travel between San Diego and Los Angeles regularly and I've never had my carry-on bag checked, much less my person.

Posted by: boxty at December 10, 2009 10:25 AM

This is one that I have never been able to figure. Like they really think it would be that hard to smuggle something onto a train. I mean an aircraft is one thing since it goes way up out of reach but a train should be fairly easy to get something onto especially since they go so slow now days.

Posted by: Stuart the Viking at December 10, 2009 11:15 AM

And who really cares what you get on to a train anyhow? The thing is on rails...

Posted by: Jim at December 10, 2009 01:38 PM

Because there's money to be had from the US Taxpayers by hiring more union-goons from SEIU, and showing the few people that actually ride trains how technical and important it all is!

Posted by: Flighterdoc at December 10, 2009 01:43 PM

I rode the train from New Hampshire down to Boston a couple months ago - nice ride and a lot less stress than driving. It would have been child's play to take ANY weapon I own on board without them knowing about it. I suspect anyone with a little thought could probably get a Ma Deuce aboard. Incidentally, this commuter train did not appear to have any way to handle "checked" baggage.

Posted by: Hartley at December 10, 2009 03:52 PM

Actually, Amtrak's only real concern was the cost that they would incur in having to accept and verify unloaded, safely packed firearms in the same way the airlines do. As you know they're perennially broke, so anything that could cost them more is - to them - a big deal.

Posted by: Voolfie at December 11, 2009 06:29 AM

The problem, as I see it, is that train baggage compartments are in no way as secure as airplane baggage compartments. The idea that passengers could securely store their firearms there strikes me as misguided.

Everyone would be safer if we simply allowed passengers to keep their firearms with them.

Posted by: Jeff Dege at December 11, 2009 08:18 AM

"that a passenger would somehow get into the baggage compartment and hijack the train."

and fly it into a building. Don't forget that part.

Posted by: Sean Sorrentino at December 11, 2009 11:20 AM

Amtrak's senior management resists this rule loosening.

Long time railroad workers consider allowing johnny law to screw with passengers to be anathema.

Traditionally, if a passenger became a problem, the conductor would have a railroad dick remove the idiot, and shove him off the right of way ... end of problem.

Which is why you see all these victim-disarmament rules put into place by political appointees in Amtrak, and then ignored by the people actually running the train. Want to board without getting screwed with? Buy the ticket in advance and use a flag or whistle-stop.

At least this is how it goes down in the West. You might have to deal with some other attitude on an eastern commuter train.

Posted by: Kristopher at December 11, 2009 02:25 PM

Amtrak baggage cars and sections are indeed not perfectly secure; they're not the same as the "express" cars moving mail and other time-senstive freight like a steel-wheeled FedEx.
While the wording of the news article is sparse and may not be perfectly accurate, the idea of declaring the presence of the firearm to baggage and other personnel is not comforting at all.
Additionally, many shorter distance trains such as the ones that run several times a day between Chicago and St. Louis don't have checked baggage service at all. Bringing your sidearm to St. Louis won't work on our semi-public railroad.
I'm too much of a goody-goody to carry it along, but we've made the run from Chicago to New Orleans a number of times and I'll have to say, I pretty much never missed my Commander more that that one particular evening on Dauphine Street in the Quarter back in '94...

Posted by: WP Zeller at December 11, 2009 03:37 PM

Post a comment




Remember Me?

(you may use HTML tags for style)